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fearful wizard

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Post by fearful wizard on Wed 23 May 2012, 6:24 pm

The offside number plate light on the dandy was out, so took the cover off and inside was completely rusted through.
So managed to get new complete unit to match.
I connected the new unit without fixing it to the body, and great all worked fine.
But when i pop riveted it to the dandy and connected it, it doesn't work and neither does the offside light near the front of the trailer.
Everything else works ok, so thinking its the wiring it looks a bit rough where it comes out of the body.
Thinking about tracing it back and fitting a new piece of wiring
Has anyone got any suggestions, first outing in it, is jubilee weekend so need to get it fixed. Thank Pete Sad
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Post by Cazz on Wed 23 May 2012, 8:36 pm

I completely rewired our 60's Dandy, the original cable was a 5 core jobby with the plug cut off. I just took my time and got a colour chart off the internet.

You could get hold a light board to tie you over, that's what we used to legally bring our Dandy home, we tied it to the metal roof bars just under the cover and taped it down to stop from swaying.

Or is the new light earthing somehow and causing it not to work? Have you seen if it works if you take it off again? If so, could it be fixed on temporarily a different way? scratch
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Post by Tow Itch on Wed 23 May 2012, 9:13 pm

I'll talk through the ideas as they occur in my head if it sounds baby box or insulting better that than miss out a crucial step.
Miss out all the steps and answer the last question first. Are the offside lights on the car now working?

On a car the term earth is interchangeable with negative (the return current is through the body) On a trailer especially a folding camper or caravan this should not be so. So the terms negative return and earth may all get a bit jumbled up.

So what has happened occurred after you riveted the light back on.
My first thought was that pop riveting on the number plate light it had splayed the contacts to the bulb (Presuming it was a festoon bulb) that would stop the bulb from illuminating.
As the front off side light is now not working that theorem hit the bin.
I'm now expecting the live to have shorted out on the trailer body. Full marks to those saying that the negative shouldn't be earthed to the Dandy body but should and is are two separate words.
Drill out the pop rivets and separate the light fitting. Does the fitting now light?
If yes congratulations I'd guess that the live earthed on the the body. Possibly the body is running as negative(earth), possibly the earth on the other side of the fitting grounded on the body as well so the current went through the body (of the Dandy) rather than the bulb.
So in this case tidy up the wiring on the fitting and re rivet.

You have removed the fitting and both lights are still out.
I'm hoping most of the above is still true but you have blown a fuse.

At this point we start to need a multimeter. Do you do multimeters? Even if you don't this is easy the multimeter will cost under £10 and it's a basic step by step test sequence. Also you will have gained a little confidence and still have the multimeter. If an auto electrician costs you less than £50 just to say hello you are doing well.

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So you need to check if you have a supply from the 12N fitting. You need to check from pin 5 to pin 3.
Selecting DC voltage on the multimeter we want a reading of 12v between the pins. Putting the +ve probe (red) to pin 5 and the -ve (Black) to pin 3.
No voltage 1st did you switch the lights on? 2nd practice with the fog light supply (terminal 2) to check you have the right technique for measuring.

So still no voltage. Blown fuse is the favourite. Is there a separate fuse after the take off for the 12N socket. If not main fuses. Are the offside lights working on the car?

See how you get on with this. Any questions ask.
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fearful wizard

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Post by fearful wizard on Wed 23 May 2012, 9:39 pm

Many thanks for your quick replies will let you know how i get on. Pete
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Post by fearful wizard on Fri 25 May 2012, 6:10 pm

Thank's Tow iIch and Cazz
I fixed it, when i pop riveted the light unit on to the Dandy, the rivet was pulled down too far and shorted and blew the offside fuse in the car, thats why it didn't work when retried it off the dandy.
I fitted another lamp holder this time when i riveted it on i put a washer over the rivet so it wasnt pulled down so far.
The light at the front didnt work because the bulb wasn't touching the bulb holder properly so just bent the prongs in a bit. Thanks again.
Pete cheers
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Post by Tow Itch on Sat 26 May 2012, 1:33 pm

Congratulations.
It's surprising how many electrical problems can be found visually. Especially true if you have done something before the fault occurred, but in that case not so surprising.
The loose connection on the front light that you had not spotted previously was just enough to possibly confuse.
Leaving you with the possible thought of "I've fixed the fuse taken the light fitting off found the fault on that, what else has gone wrong to the wiring to stop the front light"

Glad it's fixed.

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