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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

I was wondering if anyone could help me as I've been looking for a while now for a folding camper and had decided on a Dandy Destiny. But I don't know what a fair price is, could someone give me a few tips?
There's a couple I've missed out on on Ebay but seem to have gone for far more than I'd pay for the age and condition.
I just don't want to be ripped off, am I looking at the wrong time of the year?
Any advice would be greatly recieved Very Happy
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Post by mike on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:14 pm

julie72 wrote:I was wondering if anyone could help me as I've been looking for a while now for a folding camper and had decided on a Dandy Destiny. But I don't know what a fair price is, could someone give me a few tips?
There's a couple I've missed out on on Ebay but seem to have gone for far more than I'd pay for the age and condition.
I just don't want to be ripped off, am I looking at the wrong time of the year?
Any advice would be greatly recieved Very Happy

Its not a good time to be looking especially with the weather we have had it could make more people interested in dandys,as for price its difficult to say at the beginning of the year they where at rock bottom prices,when you say destiny i guess you meen the high sided they seem to go from about £1800 up.
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Post by mike on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:21 pm

This one sold for £2500 but the buyer backed out it looks worth that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:32 pm

Thanks Mike, I chose the Destiny as there's 6 of us and all the ones I've looked at seem to be 5 birth. I don't really know what you mean by high sided (sorry Neutral ). I also prefer the light blue and white ones as opposed to the brown.
I think I need to save a bit more cash and maybe get one at the end of the year Sad
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Post by Helen on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:40 pm

Hi Julie, this link may help you to identify different types of Dandy's and the ages of them. There is also a short video at the end showing a few including a SIX (low sided destiny) or a DESTINY (high side) I hope it helps you.

A six hasn't got a fridge but a high sided destiny has.

I think towards the end of the season is the best time to buy or over winter.

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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:52 pm

Thanks Mike and Helen I'll check them out now Smile
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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 5:58 pm

Cheers Mike I was actually watching that one before but its a little out of my price range but it is gorgeous.

@ Helen where is your link? Sorry if I'm being a bit blonde lol Smile
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Post by Helen on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 6:04 pm

Sorry Julie, it's me in holiday and blonde mode

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Post by Helen on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 6:06 pm

Here's the video, you can watch it on youtube too so it's bigger.

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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 6:18 pm

Thanks Helen lol I know how you feel but not in holiday mode for another 2 weeks, not that I'm counting lol.
Its the high sided Destiny that I'm after with the 4 ring hob and fridge. Having 4 kids I think these are a must Smile
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Post by Tow Itch on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 6:41 pm

High sided Destiny with aluminium sides or the later ones with fiberglass sides?
If the latter with or without loo?
You would be lucky to find a fibreglass one sub £2,000 but if you don't need instant gratification keep your eye open.
I'm certain people fret either about size or get the whole towing weight law wrong for post 1997 licenses as Destinys often don't make the money you'd imagine.
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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 7:54 pm

The aluminium sides would be fine and the loo doesn't matter. Is the size of the Destiny likely to exceed the maximum weight of the post 97 liscence law? I drive a seat alhambra.

Thanks for the advice I'll see what comes up.
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Post by bgarston on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 8:31 pm

julie72 wrote:The aluminium sides would be fine and the loo doesn't matter. Is the size of the Destiny likely to exceed the maximum weight of the post 97 liscence law? I drive a seat alhambra.

Thanks for the advice I'll see what comes up.

Hi Julie, First off the UK Government has made this issue really difficult to understand (But stick with it). All the official info is here:
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A high sided Destiny has a MAM of 1000kg. The lightest Seat Alhambra has a kerb weight of ~1664kg so the trailer/towcar are well within tolerance in that respect.

However the Seat Alhambra also has a Gross Vehicle Weight/MAM of 2,480 kg - 2,540 kg which when added together with the MAM of a high sided Destiny might take you over the 3500kg threshold of a post ’97 driving licence.

A Dandy 6 / low side Destiny has a MAM of 750kg so would be fine with even the heaviest Seat Alhambra.
Without more specific details about your Seat Alhambra it’s hard to know - we’d need to know the year, size of engine and spec of the car………The Maximum Authorised Mass of a Vehicle can be easily found on the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] websites.

Please get back to us if you are unsure.

Hope this helps? all the best.

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Post by Tow Itch on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 9:45 pm

Arrrgh no. As soon as you mention the subject everyone seems to get worried and fretful. See you're doing it now!

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Ignore the page talking about new rules in 2013. As explained in this piece the rules are the same as now. I do think there is a change but it is not relevant to what we're discussing.

This second page explains the rules as they apply to a post 1997 license holder: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So loosely using these figures (Do check with your car plate. Internet figures can be wrong. Though unlikely by a significant ammount in relation to what you want.) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Realised I'd made a mistake in my calculations at this point so needed figures with the maximum permitted mass for the Alhambra
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See Seat quote mass in running order not kerbweight and you need a definition of their maximum figures as well. This is why if close the car itself must be checked for Plated figures.
Revised figures.


The minimum kerbweight of any Alambra is a 2000 2 litre Alambra at 1645Kg You may not tow any caravan plated at over 1645Kg. I (pre 1997 license) can tow a plated weight of the set maximum for the car at 1800Kg. But also the "Maximum Weight Allowed" (Seat's Term) Is between 2290Kg and 2540Kg Assuming this to be the same as Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) we see your total limit to leave between 1,210 Kg and 960Kg for the trailer.
The 2005 Tiptronic has a kerbweight of 1831Kg As you have a maximum train weight of 3,500Kg if the trailer is plated at above 750Kg then the maximum plated weight is 3,500Kg - 1,831Kg = 1,669Kg.Yet as above the limit is actually set by the maximum train weight. That is 3,500Kg less 2290Kg to 2,540Kg So still leaving between 1,210Kg and 960Kg I can tow a plated weight of the design maximum of 2,000Kg and then have a train weight of up to 4,540Kg

The maximum authorised mass of a Destiny (Highside) is 1,00Kg.
I'm told VOSA will only prosecute for actually weights exceeded not theoretical plated weights that might exceed. N.B. This is what I believe I'm not suggesting any possible offence is a good idea and the police are still free to prosecute.
You could theoretically have Ian (Riva Leisure The Manufacturer) re plate a Destiny to 960Kg to be totally legal in the worst circumstances. Oh silly me the Dandy isn't actually plated per se. (Please correct me if the last dark blue Dandys differ) All they have are the weight parameters stamped on the ALKO draw bar. This is not the same. If by some chance your Alhambra is the one with the highest MAM I think your chances of prosecution for a theoretical offence of 40Kg is something less than nothing. Of course if you load like Helen and the Destiny ends up weighing 1,600Kg then that may be another thing altogether.

The Camping and Caravanning Club and The Caravan Club always suggested an 85% limit of Mass in Running Order (Not kerbweight{Slightly different}) for those new to towing.
You are not troubled by these weights either and if for another veicle you were to exceed the 85% rule I'd say as a personal oppinion it's not as important on trailer tents where the Centre Of Gravity is lower than caravans.
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Post by Tow Itch on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 9:51 pm

Note my reply and the reply above. We got the same figure for the highest MAM of an Alhambra but very different figures for the lowest. Remember also my figures (From Seat) were not quoted as a MAM. This is a good example of why you must check on the car. Internet figures are not worth the paper they're not even printed on.
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Post by bgarston on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 10:06 pm

Tow Itch wrote:
If by some chance your Alhambra is the one with the highest MAM I think your chances of prosecution for a theoretical offence of 40Kg is something less than nothing.

Hi Kevin, as someone that has a post '97 licence I've done a lot of reading around the subject and with all due respect find I must disagree with your advice. The law is very black and white on this. If you are found to be to be driving an outfit that exceeds the entitlements on your licence you'll be then prosecuted (at the very least) for not having any insurance, as your insurance policy I'll be null and void. Chances are this is most likely to happen, for example, when you have an accident and the police investigate what's happened......is it really worth the risk?

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Post by bgarston on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 10:12 pm

Tow Itch wrote: Note my reply and the reply above. We got the same figure for the highest MAM of an Alhambra but very different figures for the lowest. Remember also my figures (From Seat) were not quoted as a MAM. This is a good example of why you must check on the car. Internet figures are not worth the paper they're not even printed on.

Like I said: "Without more specific details about your Seat Alhambra it’s hard to know - we’d need to know the year, size of engine and spec of the car". The figures I was quoting were very general without knowing the specifics. I was using figures from both mk1 and mk2 cars to provide a best/worse case senario. Incidentally I've always found manufacturers specifications to be published correctly on the two websites I mentioned.

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Post by julie72 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 10:20 pm

Good God!! pale now I'm really confused lol

I think I'll have to do a lot more homework, its a 2 litre diesel 2003 model but I'll look tomorrow for something more specific.

Thanks for all your advise and sorry to Tow Itch for opening the flood gates Very Happy
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Post by Caz1960 on Mon 09 Jul 2012, 10:55 pm

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Post by julie72 on Tue 10 Jul 2012, 7:30 am

Laughing Thanks Caz that looks great lol I wouldn't say I'm sold on the idea but I'll keep an open mind Very Happy

But I think its looking more like winter before I can afford one but I'll keep you informed when I find one.
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Post by Tow Itch on Tue 10 Jul 2012, 9:45 pm

Dear Julie

I'm really sorry your confused. The point of answering a question is to add clarity not add confusion. That should only occur if the answer isn't clear and the best that can be achieved is to draw your attention to the issues and possible conflicts.
I'm known for writing tomes. I initially tried to avoid that last night because I was knackered. I then went to send and saw bgarston's post and realised I'd missed out something obvious. Instead of re writing I did a piss poor re hash and fired it off.

I'll try to refine into a more user friendly form, hopefully with some non confrontational conclusions.
I'll then argue my corner against bgarston hopefully us both enlightening each other.

Sorting supper out is required first.
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Post by julie72 on Tue 10 Jul 2012, 10:35 pm

Its ok Tow Itch its fine I was also tired last night so what I read was just not sinking in lol.
I'll be fine I do get the basics of it all I just realise I need to be sure what the weights are before choosing Smile

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Post by Cazz on Tue 10 Jul 2012, 11:20 pm

Regarding the 6's, have you seen the lovely light shade of Mikes and Mr and Mrs Phoenixs ones if you're not as keen on the dark brown ones. As Caz mentioned, the older ones are also a fair bit cheaper than the high sided ones, and they're also lighter in weight. Laughing Perhaps it's worth having a guided tour of the the two models so you can compare.


Speaking from experience of sleeping in a dark green one and a brown and white one, we find we sleep better in the green one because it is a lot darker. We've taken to covering the sides in blankets at night in the brown and white one. Having said that, on a dark day the brown and white one is more airy and light. Sorry, this was meant to be helful. pale lol!

Typed whilst sat in bed on OH lap top in our green one, Milo. cheers
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Post by mike on Wed 11 Jul 2012, 2:46 pm

Don't forget the pale blue and white sixes they are sold under the destiny name but the spec matches the six including weight,not going to add to the towing confusion just to say its easy to come up with different answers in the beginning even the government sites got it wrong.
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Post by julie72 on Thu 12 Jul 2012, 9:49 pm

Lol Caz I think I get what you're trying to say confused

Thanks Mike I'll keep all your advice in mind when I finally find something and If I'm not sure of anything I'll come and ask you guys Very Happy

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