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Post by fearful wizard on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 10:35 am

Can anyone tell me which gas bottle size fits the gas bottle cage in the front box and also leisure battery.
The cage dimension limits the size of the bottle and battery.
My friend says he has seen someone who has made a plywood box with with u shaped cutouts mounted on the plywood, and has the gas bottle laid on its side, you can then fit a larger bottle than one that is stood upright.
Sound a bit dangerous to me. Question Pete.
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Post by Tow Itch on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 11:50 am

fearful wizard wrote:Can anyone tell me which gas bottle size fits the gas bottle cage in the front box and also leisure battery.
The cage dimension limits the size of the bottle and battery.
My friend says he has seen someone who has made a plywood box with with u shaped cutouts mounted on the plywood, and has the gas bottle laid on its side, you can then fit a larger bottle than one that is stood upright.
Sound a bit dangerous to me. Question Pete.

Gas Bottles 3.9Kg Propane 4.5Kg Butane. 6Kg P or 7Kg B works out much cheaper to buy gas. As at 16th edition wiring regs it became a no no to have gas bottles and batteries sharing. We are now on 17th but regulations are not retrospective so if designed that way it's ok. Then again if you make a new box is it a new fitment? Not that I think many would enquire. If I made a new box I'd have a solid division then it would be two boxes and there wouldn't be a shared box.
As for bottle on side I can't see any problems for transit. If you were daft enough to try and open tap with bottle on side liquid gas would emerge. Quite what that would do to the regulator I've never tried, but then again never tried putting a bottle on a camp fire either.
As for battery not sure I think I remember someone saying it's too small for a 110 amp hour one. Best bet is to take measurements and phone a battery specialist. Feel free to post your findings.
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Post by mike on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 11:53 am

Yes gas bottles should never be carried on there side (i do though affraid )the holders if the same as my delta was will take the expensive camping gaz which you should avoid or the propane 3.9kg still an expensive way to go,if you intend to only camp in good weather the 4.5kg butane is the same size.
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Post by mike on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 11:54 am

sod it you beat me Kevin Very Happy
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Post by Tow Itch on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm

mike wrote:Yes gas bottles should never be carried on there side (i do though affraid )the holders if the same as my delta was will take the expensive camping gaz which you should avoid or the propane 3.9kg still an expensive way to go,if you intend to only camp in good weather the 4.5kg butane is the same size.

Yes gas bottles should never be carried on there side

Well you may well know stuff I don't Mike but just out of curiosity pulled up safety info of Calor's site.
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Now they both stress using in an upright position but I can't find a limitation on storing or transporting on their side?
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Post by mike on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 2:31 pm

It was something i read about transporting bottles on there side and letting them stand for so long before use and the conclusion was its safer not to carry them laid down,as i say i do but would never advice any one else to.
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Post by Nick on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 3:53 pm

we found a 75amp battery fitted but we did have to take measurements before we bought it as these all seem to vary in size.
I would think a Dandy would be fine on even a 60amp battery as there is very little in the way of electrics in a Dandy.
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Post by mike on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 4:33 pm

No idea where i read it but here is the flo gas recommendations for transporting


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Post by naedoot on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 6:10 pm

when i opened the front box on mine I found the cage to be a little ragged.

front box off and will be cleaned, rubbed n painted.

the cage = i have taken off the rubber / powder coat and am going to rub it down then coat with some paint.

ther was a 3.9kg calor bottle in it upright and a 65ah vauxhall car battery (?)

plenty of space left in there if I remeber.

intend to use the cage as a inner support for a ply box type solution or use ply on its own.
gas bottle to be strapped in, and have toyed with battery box ( seen some nice contained ones that protect the terminals etc).

i wouldnt like to transport a gas bottle on its side as I have seen what happens when the regulator valve is removed on a diving tank Smile

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Post by mike on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 6:14 pm

naedoot wrote:when i opened the front box on mine I found the cage to be a little ragged.

front box off and will be cleaned, rubbed n painted.

the cage = i have taken off the rubber / powder coat and am going to rub it down then coat with some paint.

ther was a 3.9kg calor bottle in it upright and a 65ah vauxhall car battery (?)

plenty of space left in there if I remeber.

intend to use the cage as a inner support for a ply box type solution or use ply on its own.
gas bottle to be strapped in, and have toyed with battery box ( seen some nice contained ones that protect the terminals etc).

i wouldnt like to transport a gas bottle on its side as I have seen what happens when the regulator valve is removed on a diving tank Smile



It shouldn't be the same danger with lpg as the pressure wont be as great,i use divers bottles for my air rifle and wouldn't like to be near on if the valve came off.
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Post by fearful wizard on Fri 03 Feb 2012, 7:58 pm

Thanks for the replies, i thoght it didnt seem right to carry and use gas bottles on there side.
I think i will build a plywood box with separate compartments that will fit in the front box.
But will wait until after i have purchased a leisure battery and gas cylinder.
Will make sure there is plenty ventilation. Very Happy Pete
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Post by Tow Itch on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 12:14 am

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