navver
1) Are the 17th edition regs that prescriptive? I thought the 17th became less prescriptive and more suggestive. (For what little I know) Sorry I accept I might be pedantic on that and to be pedantic again is that within the bit that corresponds to specialist installations.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]I was about to say that a Dandy is not a caravan and there are no regulations for other camping arrangements. I'm acutely aware of this after contacting the C&CC about an advert that implied an RCD fitted device was as per C&CC guidance and current regulations. Alas the ad didn't specifically mention the C&CC and there are no regulations specifically applying to other camping electric fitments.
Found this in the tlc piece:
Where a caravan appliance may be exposed to the effects of moisture, it must be protected to lp55 (protected from dust and from water jets). Every caravan which includes an electrical installation must be provided with a flexible lead not more than 25 m long fitted with a BS EN 60309-2 plug and a BS EN 60309-2 connector with the keyway at position 6h. The cross-sectional area of the cable must be related to the rated current of the plug as shown by {Table 7.6}.
Table 7.6 - Cross-sectional areas of flexible cables
---------------- and cords for supplying caravan connectors
Rated current of plug (A) Cross-sectional area (mm²)
16 2.5
25 4.0
32 6.0
63 16.0
So the 17th edition prescribes a 25m length not a maximum of 25m?
Joining Leads
navver wrote:The problem with joining leads is two fold:
1 The join must be using a proper waterproof plug & socket. I don't think the standard blue plugs and sockets are sufficiently waterproof to lie on the ground in pouring rain or in puddles. A plastic bag round them also won't be good enough.
2 If there is a cross in the wiring in two extension leads used together it can result in a very dangerous situation. If neutral and earth are crossed in one and live and neutral in the other, the pair together have a live earth cross. All exposed metal will be live as soon as you plug it in. If the leads are used individually, the user would not be aware of any problem at all. This has resulted in deaths.
I'm not saying do not use a short lead. Just be aware of the problems of using two together.
I have seen devices like this for commando leads but can't find one at the moment I think they may be IP56. I realise this 13amp one is only IP44
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Faults on two hook up leads. First of all the statistical approach. If there was a 1 in 50 chance of a wrongly wired hook up then the chances of having two is 1 in 2,500. So am I better of having two leads? No because the chance of one of the two being faulty is now 1 in 25.
Sorry now the serious point. If a lead is wrongly wired it is wrongly wired there might be evidence of a certain type of error being more prevalent but surely I could have just executed a live to earth cross?
Just thinking about this further. There is no protection from this as the RCD doesn't cut off the "earth" supply? Have I got this right.
Have the NICEIC done any research about a greater chance of neutral and earth cross wires since armoured cable became brown, black and grey?
Test not for navver, Jake, John or Perridot oh or Vicky if you are reading this how would you guess (don't look up) brown, black and grey is wired if used on single phase?
Or is this another good reason why we need to be wired or inspected by a professional electrician?
navver Not trying to give you a hard time just being picky. It's nice to have people who know enough that I can ask picky questions.
Public apology to navver. navver PMed me some items on electrics. Unfortunately I was tied to other things and just realised I've not gone back and looked at them. If they are still readable can you resend please. Sorry