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Cutting winter fuel costs

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Post by mike on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 1:13 pm

A lot of years ago i tried one of those make your own solid fuel logs out of waste paper,absolutely useless the arms bent when you tried to compress it to form a block,just too much mess and bother,one of the ladies at work has just had a solid fuel stove fitted and has been making her own logs,we get through a lot of industrial tape at work and she takes the cardboard cores home and just hand fills them with soaked newspaper,no machine or anything.
The other day she gave me a carrier bag full to try well i was surprised they did really well,would never replace coal or logs but there are times like the last half hour before you go to bed when two or three of these are just enough.
With this in mind i decided to google a bit and see if things have improved and found a pricey but nice paper brick maker,it may be something i look further into next year ready for my retirement which should mean more time and less money Shocked





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Post by mike on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 1:48 pm

Or you could go very low tech

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Post by mike on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 3:41 pm

This is something i have thought about for a while.

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Post by Phoenix on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 6:33 pm

Like the first one Mike. Smile
We had been thinking of building something along these sort of lines too.
We saw this one earlier this year.

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Post by mike on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 6:45 pm

Good design, that type certainly remove more moisture and compact more but i think i would look for a compromise between speed and efficiency,just the small lightly compacted ones we tried gave over 20 min.
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Post by Phoenix on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 6:57 pm

Speed would not be a problem, it would give Mrs P something to do during the day. She is good at multitasking. Cutting winter fuel costs  3462454224 Cutting winter fuel costs  3208163979 Thats going to hurt!!!

Do you think they would be too compacted?
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Post by mike on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 7:04 pm

Phoenix wrote:Speed would not be a problem, it would give Mrs P something to do during the day. She is good at multitasking. Cutting winter fuel costs  3462454224 Cutting winter fuel costs  3208163979 Thats going to hurt!!!

Do you think they would be too compacted?

Could be a case of right for closed stove over night burning when you want a slow burn,but in the evening we use our stove with the door open as a fire so want to see a nice flame,this made me think less well compacted may suit us better.
I wont be spending a £110 so it will be the welder and a bit of steel room for fluid thinking Very Happy no thats not doing it drunk lol!
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Post by Phoenix on Tue 27 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

Fluid thinking Cutting winter fuel costs  1912976309 Thats when our best plans are hatched. Cutting winter fuel costs  1705467399

We will probably be getting the welder out too to make something up. We do like the flames of an evening, but do try to keep them ticking over through the night.
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Post by Tow Itch on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 5:31 am

Need some cut price fuel myself.
Courtesy of of a well known website I will be picking up 3 tonnes of anthracite for £400 later this week. Including incidental expenses that should come in to a price in bunker of about £550 to £600. It's not exactly the right size fuel, beans (10-22mm) rather than large or small nuts but will burn happily on the high load that winter demands.
My stove is not a woodburner or multi fuel stove so doesn't burn wood or similar well. In fact it leaks air and needs replacing so a high draught fuel like anthracite is ideal.
If anyone has access to cut price transport and some storage I can possibly pick up 8 tonnes of bean / small nut sized anthracite at £100 per tonne plus transport. Willing to split the fuel with person having above facilities.

The briquette makers above look very laborious. The best one I saw on You Tube was



though a bit of a pfaff with the clamp when a Mole grip or a piece of rectangular tube would lock the base.

As log burners now seem to have become a fashion accessory things may change but at this point joinery shops and wood yards still want rid of off cuts. So if you have a trailer then this would prove far more effective in relation to time expended to fuel gained.

Mr P seen from pictures you have a bit of space, if you have any out buildings you may want to fit a DEFRA exempt smokeless appliance (doubt your in a smoke control area) One of the industrial ones even allows you to burn rubber foam backed carpet as fuel. Heat and reduced waste charges how much better can it get. It's just a matter of piping the heat over to the house.
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Haat Pioneer ABl Incinerators models 12, 20, 28 and 36. (2) The fireplace(s) must be installed, maintained and operated in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions bearing the reference HAAT/2/CAA/10/89 Paper, cardboard, corrugated paper, office or domestic waste, wood, polythene sheet or foam, polypropylene, nylon, polyethylene, rubber foam backed carpet Incinerator SI 1990 No.345
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Post by mike on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 6:39 am

Looks like the guy let loose his creative bent on that,yes it works but i would think you could produce two blocks in the same time with the first design due to quicker loading,while a more efficient fuel mix probably the extra time to prepare it would eat away the two block advantage,my guess would be in the end including the mixing stage the first one could be quicker.
Then you have the drying time the less water you put in the less you have to remove,for water removal the bottle jack takes some beating one chap put 3kg of wet mix in his bottle jack rig and got 2.1kg of water out but the time involved was ridiculous,my mind is working around two rigs one to produce high density slow burn blocks for night use and one for medium density blocks to use as an open fire.
Dont think the labour and time involved is always relevant take the chap in the green house he looked retired and has himself a task he looks to enjoy plus going around collecting the raw materials and at least his rig will be easy to mend,its not just winter though at the moment on the cool evenings in spring summer and autumn its not cold enough to light a coal fire so we use electric,a few free paper blocks one the stove would be a better option.
This year fellow forum members have covered my winter coal bill via my government winter fuel allowance lol! which i thank one and all for but this looks like finishing soon.

The only real local off cut and dust supply i have is a shop fitting company,so most of the waste is MDF now i have the mask and saw for safe cutting and the stove will burn it but dont want the bother.

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Post by mike on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 7:24 am

Kevin this ebay bargain makes your fuel look stupidly cheap lol! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
My working out brings it to £1349.50 a tonne delivered affraid
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Post by mike on Wed 28 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm

The easy way to use a standard fuel press

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Post by Helen on Thu 13 Dec 2012, 9:08 am

Can't understand why my gas bill has risen so much, we're on a fixed deal but it's still risen a lot. We received a statement that says we've used almost 50% more gas than the same period last year Shocked I don't see how when we've been away most weekends this year.

Wood burners are looking like an option here too.
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Post by Caz1960 on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 1:12 pm

Helen wrote:Can't understand why my gas bill has risen so much, we're on a fixed deal but it's still risen a lot. We received a statement that says we've used almost 50% more gas than the same period last year Shocked I don't see how when we've been away most weekends this year.

Wood burners are looking like an option here too.

Have you got a leak??? Shocked
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Post by Tow Itch on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 1:26 pm

Caz1960 wrote:
Helen wrote:Can't understand why my gas bill has risen so much, we're on a fixed deal but it's still risen a lot. We received a statement that says we've used almost 50% more gas than the same period last year Shocked I don't see how when we've been away most weekends this year.

Wood burners are looking like an option here too.

Have you got a leak??? Shocked

Don't all houses in Wales have those?
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Post by Caz1960 on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 1:32 pm

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Post by Helen on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 3:05 pm

We don't have a leak so I assume it's due to the house being like Piccadilly station and doors always being opened and closed, I could do with revolving doors fitted the amount of through traffic we're getting Rolling Eyes
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Post by Tow Itch on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 4:32 pm

Helen wrote:We don't have a leak so I assume it's due to the house being like Piccadilly station and doors always being opened and closed, I could do with revolving doors fitted the amount of through traffic we're getting Rolling Eyes

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Post by Helen on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 6:37 pm

Maybe we should charge the unwelcome ones for the heating lol!

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